Why not?
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wtf not!! 
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I don’t think I can even come up with 35 grooveboxes. 
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You just have to count the 20 Octatracks that you will buy at various point throughout your life, then it adds up to 35.
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I love Groovebox
Or as Roland likes to call them: GrooveBux 
Whoa whoa buddy! Why the shot at Roland? Actually my fav brand at the moment.lol. What did I miss?!
I don’t know what you miss, but I’ve missed the Roland that made genre defining instruments since about 1995.
Korg were clearly shooting at themselves when they released the new Electribe.
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I mean specifically regarding your comment about Roland “groovebux”? My latest few Roland products seemed pretty underpriced if anything. Just wondering if I’m unaware of Roland having a known and earned bad reputation for something.
I ignored the warning from decades old NI users about how they were burned by Kore and their general experience with lack of updates, user feedback ignored, archaic code base which would make certain major needed features impossible, etc.
It’s always good to hear and consider user experiences to color future investment decisions.
I think you’re taking a cheap pun too seriously…
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I think that it is an error the consumers thinking to expect constant updates to a product. In my opinion, companies should aim to release one, final version of a product and that is all. Name a single classic piece of hardware that received post release upgrades. There are not many. We are living in a strange time now of rapid consumption and our expectations are a little out of whack. Especially now that inflation is making it pretty unrealistic to expect consumers to keep buying the latest piece of hardware.
Native Instruments is pretty much only competing with Akai and in my opinion doing it much better. What do they have to prove by releasing anything other than sampler food and soft synths?
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I wouldn’t have an issue with that if anyone actually released a final version worthy of being a final version. You can’t seriously think any recently released groovebox by any brand was complete. Thats why they all get updated. NI is just the worst at that. Recently that is. Imo.
Akai Force was a mess. Its been fixed. In fact akai stumbled quite a bit several times in their past but have made good and also remained vigilant of what their user base has requested. My experience with Roland, albeit short has been similar. SP404, MV1 both received major updates since i purchased. Several for SP and MV actually with key bugs or feature suggestiins from the community.
All that to say i kind of agree with you in premise but the reality is these companies rush release broken HW and SW so they know they created an environment where updating is a new agreement between manufacturers and early adopting users. Essentially paid beta testers. i reckon some of these greedy sombiches arent keeping their end of the bargain tho.lol
@Raskal.X poses a great question. Probably worthy of its own thread.
Do these companies really aim to release final versions of products?
I agree they should but as I really think on it…I don’t think they give a rats ass about that. I don’t think that’s part of the new biz model at all. Not even with software.
Push 3 seems rushed. M+ rushed. Akai’s flagship MPCX and Force rushed.
Imagine any of these boxes left as is on launch?! There would be smoke in every city around the globe 
lol
How do we as users force them to release complete products?
Tbh I don’t think it’s possible. These companies aren’t really targeting musicians, pros and loyal users anymore. Arming new armies of Social influencers with as many new products and packs to sell is the new model for many of these brands.
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we gotta pull together brethren
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We need a favourite groovebox thread, sponsored by Elek4
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Without latency, too 
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The bit about moving back to a 2500, because he’s worried that the M+ mght become a paperweight doesn’t make sense to me.
My 2500 has practically been a paperweight since I damaged the encoder, and a heavy one at that. I certainly wouldn’t jam with that on my lap for more than 5 minutes.
Just wish people would state the issues on these kind of NI bashing threads. What they think was promised, or what has fallen short, instead of just saying unfinished etc. NI can’t be expected to put unlimited funds into developing a product that probably isn’t selling as well as it should, because of all the negativity. Admittedly the early negativity was perhaps deserved as they rushed it out, but now it’s a stable working product and I guess the negativity is still there.
But, it’s good enough for Loopop’s own live rig. But still, everybody bashing it without giving reasons in the here and now.
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I bought a Traktor S4 Mk1, at the time a flagship controller. I have to keep an old Macbook pro around, running an old OS, because they made the decision to stop developing drivers for it. I can’t afford a new DJ system (The equivalent Pioneer system is £1k +).
I will never buy NI hardware again. They dropped it to make people purchase their new DJ hardware. It was a huge F*ck you from NI, with NI and supporters saying “just drop £6-800 on something new!”.
I’m sorry, if i pay that much for something, I want it to work until it falls to pieces, not because the accountant says they cant be arsed to support it anymore.